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[Weekly Poll] MIUI Weekly Poll 17: Is SoC Fragmentation the Next Big Thing in Mobile Industry?

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Hello MIUIers!

Welcome to yet another Weekly Poll. Last week our team asked you whether you would prefer a modular smartphone or a regular smartphone if asked to choose between the two. Most of the people voted in favour of modular smartphones. Here is the complete result:

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Some of the best comments from last week's poll:


  • There will be Modular Add-ons only not full Modular Phones, Every Single Person cannot use modular Phones, Need Some Technical Knowledge About Modular Smartphones So Am Prefer To Non Modular SmartPhones.


  • Yes, modular smartphones are the future..i had imagine that someday will happen back than when i had build custom PC with my own spec (i can choose what case, how much ram, processor, storage, display and etc)..with advance tech like now i think modular smartphone it's not be larger and heavier..but just now for near future i think smartphone will "just" more big screen less border, slim, durable, big ram and internal memory.

  • Full modular phones are futuristic, buy a base circuit and plug in your desired modules to make your unique smartphone. Some want better camera, for some bigger battery, others cutting edge performance, by modules you can get what suits your need. We already saw it with Project ARA it's easy as Lego blocks.






This week we will be debating on if SoC fragmentation is the next big thing in the smartphone industry.

We have three main companies which manufacture SoCs and sell them to smartphone OEMs; these companies are- Qualcomm, MediaTek and Intel. There are also some smartphone OEMs which manufacture their own SoCs exclusively for their own phones and they are based on ARM architecture. Some of these OEMs are- Apple with its Fusion chip, Samsung with its Exynos SoC and Huawei with its Kirin chip. Aren't something common among them? Oh yes, they are the top 3 smartphone manufacturers in the world. Now Xiaomi has joined them with its new Pinecone SoC aiming for something to distinguish itself from rest of the budget phones which are solely based on either Qualcomm or MediaTek at large. We can not say if they will succeed with their Pinecone SoC or not but what we can notice is how Xiaomi has been successful in at least grabbing the attention of the people and of course of other OEMs.

The smartphone industry is basically oriented towards budget phones. Over the past few years we have been seeing that the budget phones have improved significantly in whatever area we think of, whether it's the design, the performance, the battery life or the camera performance; we can't say that any of those areas is saturated now. OEMs are trying their best out make their phones stand out of the crowd. While the possibility of boosting performance and still maintaining a proper price tag seems low as of now, OEMs implementing their own, home baked SoCs in their phones seems to give them just an edge over the others if made and implemented properly.

Well of course it benefits the users as well rather than just the OEMs. Home baked SoCs allow OEMs to tweek certain software components giving a better user experience. Having its own SoC allows an OEM to support its devices longer than usual helping it in getting a better fan base and happy customers. There are some trade offs too. SoC fragmentation will end up universal app support. There will be some apps which will run on phones based on a particular SoC while they may not run on other phones based on a different system on chip. We may even see an end of Custom ROMs and growth of OEM ROMs if fragmentation occurs, not allowing users to use ROMs which they prefer just because of lack of developers support.


So the question for this week is:


Is SoC fragmentation the next big thing in the smartphone industry?
Take part in the poll and let us know your opinion.
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12:51, Mar-13-2017 | From Redmi Note 4X
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I always believe necessity is the mother of invention.  the levels of scalability people expect with respect to power and battery consumption that  mobiles offer, SoC fragmentation is the way forward.

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This post was edited by Dimenzino at 11:01, Mar-13-2017

I support the company's desire to develop its SoC platform. This gives individuality and independence from third-party manufacturers. This solution will enable Xiaomi to establish itself in the list of the world's major manufacturers of mobile devices. It will also allow us to create new solutions for the overall optimization of the performance of the MIUI system. Increase security and confidentiality. I ask to forgive me for my bad English (I translate with the help of Google translator)
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14:05, Mar-13-2017 | From Mi Note
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Manufacturers, especially Xiaomi should just use the norm SoCs. I mean by the norm is the already established SoCs like Snapdragon, or mtk maybe just fine. Android is huge because of community. Community can last longer if there is less fragmentation. I'm a bit upset because Xiaomi is the latest one to bring this fragmentation-thing to us. Just at least, don't bring this 'home-baked' SoCs to the next flagship device. Just don't..

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14:29, Mar-13-2017 | From Redmi Note 3
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Actually, it might be more interesting. Of course SoCs will get fragmented in the future, and will reach a point of equilibrium. Then, the OEMs might co-operate and make components together. About 10 years from now, there might be just one OEM. One chip. One model. One OS. That will lead to unprecedented compatibility and seamlessness.

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14:43, Mar-13-2017 | From PC
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No i don't think so.
SoC already has their fragmentation now. It will spent many resource from company to make research. They will collapse if fail entry the market.   

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14:52, Mar-13-2017 | From PC
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SoC fragmrntation has it's downsides. There will be much more trouble to develop multiplatfrom apps, considering differences in architecture of each SoC. But it's good to see new options on the market. Also wide variety of SoC manages prices very efficently. Like current situation with qualcomm, because of it's domination on market, prices for any of snap lineup is significantly higher then another optinos on market.

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Bord fragmentation me by but not SoC nor "specific". The Qualcomm is the biggest SoC manufacturer & it counts in for about 75% of all SoC's but even Qualcomm all together with CAF can't push architecturally specific optimisations for its products. Last time they tried that whose with Scorpion core's after that they just slightly tweak the reference designs. Long talk short; yes fragmentation is there but not because lot or boards or because they are much different it's because bad maintenance & drivers. Up to date we sow only one really responsible SoC manufacturer who did develop open source infrastructure and pushed it's (for a long time now depreciated) product to even today be fully compatible with Linux mainline. I am naturally talking about Texas Instruments OMAP boards. Texas Instruments stepped down in 2012 & Broadcomm followed short after both pushed out by Qualcomm & leaving as almost in pitch black as only light left now is CAF, & not a very bright one. Can Xiaomi establish something like that & become better than CAF? Very hardly in dead I believe not. In China most people don't even understand concept of Open Source which is kinda ironic for a "socialistic" country.

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SoC fragmentation can be a great thing only if all of them follows the same architecture.
As mentioned in thread, universal app support will be lost, OEMs have to pay some money to bring developers for making apps and games.

Also, this will end the era of sharing, the apps will not function on the friends' phone like what we face for Mali and Adreno.

We are somehow in equilibrium now, if architecture is same though customised will be the best preparation.

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Processors are build on the same architecture, which means, that there is not to much to be so different. I think and hope, that custom ROMs will be here a long time for many people, which don't like manufacturers ROM or prefer pure android and custom ROM functions and performance.

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Nah, SoC fragmentation won't be the next big thing. I can't really see anyone beside Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm (that may or may not be still) making any custom architecture chips anytime soon. And even if they did, they usually fall back to ARM microarchitecture. Qualcomm did it with Kryo, and Krait before it, sure it was wonderful but few niggles seems to make Qualcomm back to take ARM chips from the shelf. Samsung Exynos and its Mongoose cores is great, but they are basically closed to the developers, and combine ARM chips. Apple with its SoC is currently the best performers, apart from Kirin that uses ARM cores, but they're not questioned because they won't be available to Android phones. Never be. As for GPU and other integrated modules, it's usually Qualcomm leading, but the gap is almost closed.
I guess ARM has became a standard here. There's an issue of optimization here and there, that is the biggest hurdle of course. As Pinecone basically uses ARM cores too, I don't think it'll impact the architecture at all. The fragmentation here is almost nonexistent except the performance, the cores itself (Cortex) and the price. What we need is optimization and software support, that's the real fragmentation here.

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21:15, Mar-13-2017 | From PC
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No if jeopardized compatibility, it is very important thing, without it will have less support from developers. One can try if already have huge enough loyal based user.

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23:33, Mar-13-2017 | From Mi 5
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I think it will be important but mostly from a marketing point of view. Manufacturers need to differentiate themselves and you can't differentiate yourself if you use the same Qualcomm processor and the same Camera as the next OEM.
But not many companies will be able to join as  you would need huge sales numbers to recover R&D costs for it to make sense from an economic point of view.
universal app support won't be an issue as all processors use the same ARM cores.

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23:39, Mar-13-2017 | From Mi 5
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we also have to take into account that having your own SOC frees manufacturers from restrictions like not being able to introduce a phone with SD835 before Samsung that was imposed by Qualcomm

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02:37, Mar-14-2017 | From Mi 5
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SoC fragmentation won't be the next big thing. I can't really see anyone beside Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm (that may or may not be still) making any custom architecture chips anytime soon. And even if they did, they usually fall back to ARM microarchitecture. Qualcomm did it with Kryo, and Krait before it, sure it was wonderful but few niggles seems to make Qualcomm back to take ARM chips from the shelf. Samsung Exynos and its Mongoose cores is great, but they are basically closed to the developers, and combine ARM chips. Apple with its SoC is currently the best performers, apart from Kirin that uses ARM cores, but they're not questioned because they won't be available to Android phones. Never be. As for GPU and other integrated modules, it's usually Qualcomm leading, but the gap is almost closed.
I guess ARM has became a standard here. There's an issue of optimization here and there, that is the biggest hurdle of course. As Pinecone basically uses ARM cores too, I don't think it'll impact the architecture at all. The fragmentation here is almost nonexistent except the performance, the cores itself (Cortex) and the price. What we need is optimization and software support, that's the real fragmentation here.

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04:17, Mar-14-2017 | From Redmi Note 3
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Yes. SoC fragmentation and closed sources makes the development and progress more difficult.
If you have to maintain and support too many platforms and variants, it will be a big mess.
Same has already happened to Android on software level, this is now on chip level

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No, no and no. This brings even more fragmentation to Andoid OS. Devs will only bother releasing updates for the SOC which is used in flagships. Everyone else is out of boat

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SoC fragmentations is really annoying. It stops progress of good unofficial android development. Because of blobs, all of us remember how qualcomm deside not release blobs for 7.0 in 800/801 snapdragon cpus, thus release of 7.0 custon roms becomes quite difficult...

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14:15, Mar-14-2017 | From Redmi Note 4 MTK
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In my opinion, yes, SoC fragmentation is something we should viewed positively. If it stay closer source at certain level, definitely the support should be much more focus and better. I'm not saying open source is bad but in terms of attention, it might be a little less. The SoC war had began long ago but having SoC fragmentation is gonna produce some good results.

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14:41, Mar-14-2017 | From Mi 3
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in 80's PC industry, there are Intel, Cyrix and Amd. then Cryix gone, until today is still Intel the king(heard of WinTel?) and Amd trying hard to chase.... very hard even with their latest Ryzen....

for mobile industry, Apple SOC are unique for IOS so it won't matter in this discussion as consumer chosen Apple, not SOC or IOS either. Apple user don't care it's A9 or A10 SOC, they just know if they got the money, sure they will buy an iPhone and it will works....

Where as Android, we, consumer all need to worry about what SOC used, which UI over android(updates), total RAM and these 3 are main component that affect user experience (smooth or lags...).

Back to the topic, most consumer will wait and see how new SOC perform before buying as consumer are more literate & educated & connected these days...

Mi phone success or failure are mainly tied to user experience, design and pricing NOT PINECONE....

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Qualcomm is the biggest SoC manufacturer & it counts in for about 75% of all SoC's but even Qualcomm all together with CAF can't push architecturally specific optimisations for its products. Last time they tried that whose with Scorpion core's after that they just slightly tweak the reference designs. Long talk short; yes fragmentation is there but not because lot or boards or because they are much different it's because bad maintenance & drivers. Up to date we sow only one really responsible SoC manufacturer who did develop open source infrastructure and pushed it's (for a long time now depreciated) product to even today be fully compatible with Linux mainline. I am naturally talking about Texas Instruments OMAP boards. Texas Instruments stepped down in 2012 & Broadcomm followed short after both pushed out by Qualcomm & leaving as almost in pitch black as only light left now is CAF, & not a very bright one. Can Xiaomi establish something like that & become better than CAF? Very hardly in dead I believe not. In China most people don't even understand concept of Open Source which is kinda ironic for a "socialistic" country.

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Yes I think that SoC fragmentation is the next big thing in the mobile industry!

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Yes I think that SoC fragmentation is the next big thing in the mobile industry!

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Yes, SoC fragmentation will take place in future industries development!

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Yes I think that SoC fragmentation is the next big thing in the mobile industry!

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SoC fragmentation is next big thing in the mobile industry because it benefits the users as well rather than just the OEMS and giving a better user experience.

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Definitely that SoC fragmentation is the next big thing in the mobile industry, Xiaomi Entered With Surge S1, Samsung and huawei already have their own, other Mobile Brands will be on their way to enter this Industry.

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No I don't think so!
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Is SoC fragmentation the next big thing in the smartphone industry?
No, because if the SoC fragmentation is happen, the apps for specific SoC cannot be use on the other SoC.

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