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[Tips & Tutorials] What the Tech?!! #5: Overflashing (Is it a thing, or just a Myth?)

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Hi Everyone!
Happy New Year! and I'm back with another Issue of What the Tech?!

I've always been a Flashaholic ever since I had my first android phone (LG P500) way back in 2011. I remember then that I was frequent checker of XDA forums for new ROMS, in every device that I've own through the years. I even flash twice or thrice a day, checking and testing every ROM out there for my device.

But it always made me wonder,
would I eventually damage my Phone if I frequently flash, wipe, and write ROMs and flashable zips? What the TECH?!

To attempt answering the question, we must first understand how flashing works.

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What is Flashing?

Flashing is the the process of over-writing existing data in your internal storage device with new data.

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In Android terms, Flashing mainly refers to the way we install ROMS and flashable ZIP tweaks, to our device through 2 ways:

a.) the Recovery, or b.) Fastboot
Learn more about them here:

As we know, our devices uses different types of storage, but it usually uses an internal storage device, called a flash memory storage, where the Android System is contained.

My MI 3 for example uses a 16GB Sandisk Multi-Layered Cell (MLC) NAND flash memory.

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As Wikipedia defines it:
Flash memory is an electronic non-volatile computer storage medium that can be electrically erased and reprogrammed.
The NAND type flash is primarily used in main memory, memory cards, USB flash drives, solid-state drives, and similar products, for general storage and transfer of data.
But, one significant disadvantage of flash memory is the finite amount of read/write cycles in a specific block.

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So now, the question is,
can the flash memory handle frequent, and excessive wipe and flash of ROM's and Fastboot?

Just like any other electronic device, a Flash memory has a lifespan, or "Memory Wear"

....(a) flash memory has a finite number of program-erase cycles (typically written as P/E cycles) per block. Most commercially available flash products are guaranteed to withstand around 10,000 P/E cycles (for MLC) per block before the wear begins to deteriorate the integrity of the storage...

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Should I be worried about Flashing Frequently?

Honestly, No. Flashing wont be a problem.
Whether you're Flashing ROMs daily or just copying files to your devices, or simply downloading stuff to your flash memory, you are still using up the life-cycle of your flash memory.

While true, your device's flash memory will eventually fail in the future, but you've probably replaced your phone with a new one at that time. Besides, different Wear Leveling techniques are being used to prolong the life-span of your flash device,

With Wear-leveling, for example: My MI3 uses a 16GB Sandisk Multi-Layered Cell (MLC) NAND flash memory. MLC NANDs is generally rated with read/write endurance of 10,000 cycles. So, let's say I flash a ROM (usually 500MB) every 5 minutes, continually. That would amount to 57.6 GB per day. And the total number of days the drive will last before becoming unreliable is:

(Capacity of the Flash Memory x P/E Cycle Rating)/Total of Data transfer per day) = Theoretical Lifespan (in days)

So,

(16 GB x 10,000 P/E Cycle)/57.6 GB per day = 2778 days, which is about 7.6 years of continued flashing every 5 minutes, before my flash memory dies on me.
Flashing a ROM daily, it would take you 876 years before your flash memory dies.

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therefore, 10,000 P/E cycles is pretty much just a theoretical number.

I've probably flashed ROMS hundeds of times in my LG P500 I had in 2011, and it's still working just as it was.

In Conclusion:
Over-flashing will not damage your device (hardware-wise), but Memory Wear will, ..... over time.

But what do you guys think? Is there really a thing as Over-flashing? Participate in our debate below!

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Always remember: Don't be Ignorant! Be Smart, Be Informed!

Iakwbos, Signing off.



Expiration: 14:47, Jan-31-2015

Pro side Over-flashing is TRUE. It can really cause some damage to my phone.
Nickie6817:
Somehow, just stay on the safe side :| Don't overflash if not necessary.
pranavmarathe:
Now it's clear that there won't be much wear to the memory but my worr...
Mani56005:
gives better experience and taste of latest version of android
Bubash:
You can customize as much as you can
Bubash:
We use the device as per our wish
dipanjanforever:
nice explanation
mfl3:
Very informative. Thanks!
kausumi20:
overflashing for a long period can actually slowdown the device
paras739jain:
thanks for the detailed description about the matter
HoangTuBot:
IMHO: Internal storage (NAND flash memmory) are divided into differen...
HoangTuBot:
Internal storage are divided into different partition. And /system par...
Rizvi:
superb article !!!!
Trinadh554:
Nice research dude!! More or less it will effect the efficiency.. an...
Ainx666:
Ages of cycle of flash memory will be faster...
Rockybalbolina:
great explain
jenz1:
There's just some things that has to be accepted to be true by experie...
GR33dyBlackie:
{:4_101:}
GR33dyBlackie:
{:4_100:}
vikneshrajen:
good Explanation...
Friends786:
I do believe overflashing slows down your device
Neeraj19:
Thats Great, Thanks for the info
MasihCupu:
Very informative articles. Overflashing might damage your device but ...
blackomen:
"Over" done is not good. Once a while might be normal.
Raahul21:
Flashing depends upon the knowledge that how good you are at flashing ...
Mansehej:
Maybe it's my imagination, but I actually feel the performance of my p...
M1gen:
Nice article indeed, but counts on only theoretical best case.
rane1810:
Good explanation bro....!!
Aj989999403:
I flashed my s3 more than 200 times and its work like new phone…
grapox:
nice article
shub11:
i myself is frequent rom flasher but i always been afred that one day ...
Con side Overflashing is just a MYTH. It won\'t damage my phone.
PintuChief:
iakwbos replied at 2015-1-8 16:31 its probable that i'll be even dead befo...
incikweasel:
Great article
fai.fahmi:
i agreed with you... flashing wont damage phone
RejiT:
advance tech
arashpath:
It want affect your phone but damages your brain.. you become greedy.. try...
t4hmid:
Have been flashing phones since 2009. never had any bricks whatsoever
Acuk:
i think flashing ROMs its save {:4_125:} but worries is still there {:4_104...
j.epp:
I'll flash a new ROM today after reading this!
Owen_Choo:
I think overflashing will not really damage my phone...
singh_dd93:
Nah! Not in phone's Lifetime {:m003:}
azaan:
never had any issues with flashing.
MikeUI:
Just as the thread says it will really take a long time till the flash memo...
VikasTanwar:
Best to use phone @ it's best
mamat20131:
I always flash new rom every week {:6_222:}
PKUI:
I love Myths!!! {:m003:}
DaZ1994:
Obviously its a myth I've flashed my redmi 1S quite a lot and no visible da...
matrixbharath:
I just honestly flash crazy amounts
miphonemanager:
nice article
iakwbos:
HoangTuBot replied at 2015-1-10 23:57 IMHO: Internal storage (NAND flash ...
iakwbos:
HoangTuBot replied at 2015-1-10 23:57 IMHO: Internal storage (NAND flash ...
helloansuman:
Till now i dont think it has any negative effect. But yes i also sometimes ...
Dharani_V:
Its a Myth :P i flash once a day :p
LittleMadita:
It's a myth
g0ran:
Technology advances so fast that it doesn't matter.
brantass:
Just a MYTH.
nickarbine:
Nice explanation.
mtarun:
I don't think the mobile will last that long. Either we'll discard it after...
Aritra1911:
WOW, Awesome article, love your explanation.{:3_46:} So this is a myth (...
Doraha_Raman:
I always flash my phone It does not cause any problem unless you have a sig...
rohitbn31:
Great article bro ....
 
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i think i will be in neutral side. nothing to comment about it. im just like to flash that all.

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